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	<title>Comments on: Highlights of WiX v3.0.4311.0</title>
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		<title>By: Bob Arnson</title>
		<link>http://www.joyofsetup.com/2008/07/12/highlights-of-wix-v3043110/comment-page-1/#comment-6989</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Arnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 02:42:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not surprising that teams with different requirements would choose different solutions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not surprising that teams with different requirements would choose different solutions.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Painter</title>
		<link>http://www.joyofsetup.com/2008/07/12/highlights-of-wix-v3043110/comment-page-1/#comment-6985</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Painter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 01:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t mention the word `build`, I mentioned `release` which is a process involving the build and hosting systems.  

Something seems wrong that it&#039;s possible to drop an MSI that includes a file that the sources doesn&#039;t include.  It tells me that two different paths are being taken.  

I also know that Rob has specifically posted in the past that SF being a pain is the reason for relying on weekly builds and very, very rarely pushing an SF release.

Also I don&#039;t believe in relying on a txt file to keep track of changes.  I use systems like TFS that allow me link  source control changesets to work items.  Checkin policies help enforce the business rules to make sure valid data is avaialable.

When doing a build, I can fully automate a report to include the descriptions of work items included since a previous build and to be able to get, zip and drop all files that corrospond to the changeset used to do the build.

I know your an agile guy and know all this, it&#039;s probably just a matter of finding the time to do it and something better then SVN to try to integrate with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t mention the word `build`, I mentioned `release` which is a process involving the build and hosting systems.  </p>
<p>Something seems wrong that it&#8217;s possible to drop an MSI that includes a file that the sources doesn&#8217;t include.  It tells me that two different paths are being taken.  </p>
<p>I also know that Rob has specifically posted in the past that SF being a pain is the reason for relying on weekly builds and very, very rarely pushing an SF release.</p>
<p>Also I don&#8217;t believe in relying on a txt file to keep track of changes.  I use systems like TFS that allow me link  source control changesets to work items.  Checkin policies help enforce the business rules to make sure valid data is avaialable.</p>
<p>When doing a build, I can fully automate a report to include the descriptions of work items included since a previous build and to be able to get, zip and drop all files that corrospond to the changeset used to do the build.</p>
<p>I know your an agile guy and know all this, it&#8217;s probably just a matter of finding the time to do it and something better then SVN to try to integrate with.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Arnson</title>
		<link>http://www.joyofsetup.com/2008/07/12/highlights-of-wix-v3043110/comment-page-1/#comment-6984</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Arnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 00:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris,

You appear to be confusing the build system with the hosting site.

1. On the rare occasion a file is &quot;missing,&quot; it&#039;s because a developer forgot to update the publish project to include a new file.
2. Even if it were easier to publish release on SF, we&#039;d continue to publish weekly builds and push known-good ones as SF releases.
3. The &quot;what&#039;s in a release&quot; is covered by history.txt, which is automatically tagged during the build.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris,</p>
<p>You appear to be confusing the build system with the hosting site.</p>
<p>1. On the rare occasion a file is &#8220;missing,&#8221; it&#8217;s because a developer forgot to update the publish project to include a new file.<br />
2. Even if it were easier to publish release on SF, we&#8217;d continue to publish weekly builds and push known-good ones as SF releases.<br />
3. The &#8220;what&#8217;s in a release&#8221; is covered by history.txt, which is automatically tagged during the build.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Painter</title>
		<link>http://www.joyofsetup.com/2008/07/12/highlights-of-wix-v3043110/comment-page-1/#comment-6982</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Painter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a more fundamental problem: lack of release automation in interacting with SourceForge. 

It manifests itself in many ways such as files routinely missing from drops, relying on weekly release mechanism instead of v3 release because it&#039;s easier that way, difficulty in being able to communicate what&#039;s in a release and so on. 

Even Rob is publically expressing frustration with SVN.

http://twitter.com/robmen/statuses/841808073</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a more fundamental problem: lack of release automation in interacting with SourceForge. </p>
<p>It manifests itself in many ways such as files routinely missing from drops, relying on weekly release mechanism instead of v3 release because it&#8217;s easier that way, difficulty in being able to communicate what&#8217;s in a release and so on. </p>
<p>Even Rob is publically expressing frustration with SVN.</p>
<p><a href="http://twitter.com/robmen/statuses/841808073" rel="nofollow">http://twitter.com/robmen/statuses/841808073</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bob Arnson</title>
		<link>http://www.joyofsetup.com/2008/07/12/highlights-of-wix-v3043110/comment-page-1/#comment-6965</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Arnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 18:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll try it and see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll try it and see.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
		<link>http://www.joyofsetup.com/2008/07/12/highlights-of-wix-v3043110/comment-page-1/#comment-6961</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 08:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for providing updates on what&#039;s new in WiX. However, would it be much more work to also add the title of the bugs fixed in addition to the link? Now I have to click each and wait for SF to see if it is an interesting bug or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for providing updates on what&#8217;s new in WiX. However, would it be much more work to also add the title of the bugs fixed in addition to the link? Now I have to click each and wait for SF to see if it is an interesting bug or not.</p>
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